INTRODUCTION
As a child, James Staley, Jr., was
amazed at how his dad could fix anything
around the house—cars, televisions,
dishwashers—and he asked, “How could
someone do that?”
His father answered, “It takes an
engineer.”
James (Jim) Staley, Sr., was chief
scientist for high-strength materials and
technical director at Alcoa Technical
Center until his retirement in 1998. His
son, who goes by J.T., eventually followed
his father’s career path and has
now been working in the field of metallurgy
for approximately 20 years.
Through example and encouragement,
many professionals within the materials
science and engineering community have
inspired the young people closest to them
to pursue careers in science and engineering:
their children. A look at a few of
these families reveals that participation
did not begin with a forceful push, but
with a subtle nudge toward a career that
matched their natural abilities.
EARLY INFLUENCES
During the summers when his children
were growing up, Richard Hagni, then
a professor of geology and geophysics
at the University of Missouri–Rolla
(UMR), did consulting field work for
industry, taking his family to various sites
throughout the country for his work. His
daughter, Ann, now a senior scientist and
manager for the microscopy group of a
consulting firm, remembers helping out
on these expeditions.
“I helped out with bagging samples
and things like that, but I don’t think I
ever got paid,” said Ann, whose brothers
often helped with field work as well. “It
was a wonderful, wonderful childhood.
I was able to experience a lot.”
When Subodh Das’s job as a metallurgical
engineer took him to places like
China, Africa, Australia, South America,
and Europe, he would often take his
family along, including his son, Som,
who showed a natural ability for math
and science at a very young age.
“I wanted him to see some of the
glamour,” said Subodh, who once took
Som with him to Iceland to visit a highly
automated geothermal power plant.
Subodh always encouraged his son to
develop his skills in science and math by
taking him to visit plants and participate
in engineering activities for kids.
“Som was always a pretty good handyman,”
said Subodh. “He was always
good with Legos and fixing things and
mathematically he was pretty sharp. He
was already inclined; I just showed him
that if he becomes an engineer, this is
what he’d be doing.”
Som, who said he never considered
being anything but an engineer, earned
a degree in materials science and engineering,
with a focus on metallurgy, at
the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and is now a continuous
improvement manager at a Novelis rolled
product plant in West Virginia.
“I liked the fact that my dad got to
move around a lot,” said Som, who enjoys
travel. “And he had a good time doing
it, so it didn’t seem like work.”
For Nik Chawla, whose father Krishan
teaches materials science and engineering
to college students, it was the lifestyle
of a professor that drew him to engineering.
Growing up, Nik often went to work
with his father in the lab.
“It was never explicitly put into my
head that this was a great thing to do,”
said Nik. “But I saw that you got to be
your own boss, you got to work with
young people, and you get to wear sneakers
and comfortable clothing.”
He also appreciated the concept of
tenure. While other kids worried when
their fathers were laid off, Nik knew his
father had a job for life. Of course, the
idea of passing on knowledge appealed
to him as well.
“I thought, ‘This is not a bad lifestyle,’”
said Nik, who is now an associate professor
at Arizona State University.
ENCOURAGEMENT, NOT PRESSURE
Most of the children who followed
their parents’ career paths never felt
pressure to become scientists or engineers.
Far more often, they used words
like support and encouragement to
describe their parents’ influence on their
choice of careers.
Despite the fact that both of her parents
were college professors at the Virginia
Polytechnic Institute and State University,
L. Catherine (Cate) Brinson never
felt pressure to follow either of their
career paths. Her mother taught math
and her father taught in the engineering
science and mechanics department where
Cate did her undergraduate studies.
“They encouraged me to do anything
that I wanted to do, as long as I was
happy,” said Cate. “I think that was the
best strategy.”
Though she managed to avoid having
either one of them as professors, Cate
found her later research work had a lot
in common with work her father, Hal
Brinson, had done (Figure 1). Hal had
worked with polymer composite materials
and Cate, now a professor in the
mechanical engineering and materials
science and engineering departments at
Northwestern University, has worked in
both the composite and nanocomposite
areas.
Cate has three children of her own
now, with a fourth on the way. Does she
expect them to follow in the footsteps
of their mother and grandfather?
“I’m going to try to handle it like my
parents did,” she said. “They never
pushed, but they always encouraged.”
When Linda Schadler entered graduate
school at the University of Pennsylvania,
she found herself often turning to
her father for support.
“It was the first time that it was really
obvious that I was in a male-dominated
environment,” said Linda, who had
already earned an undergraduate degree
in materials science and engineering
from Cornell University. “Every time I
made mistakes, which everybody does,
somehow they seemed more terrible.”
When she got frustrated, Linda called
her father, Harvey Schadler, who had
also earned a bachelor’s degree in materials
science and engineering from
Cornell as well as a doctoral degree from
Purdue.
“I used to call home talking about
quitting and he could have easily said,
‘Why don’t you do that?’ But he never
did. That’s part of what gave me the
encouragement to continue,” said Linda.
“If you look at the statistics, a huge
number of women in science and engineering
had supportive fathers.”
She graduated with a Ph.D. in materials
science and engineering from the
University of Pennsylvania and is now
a professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute.
SCHOOL TIES
It was encouragement from her father,
Richard, that brought Ann Hagni back
to UMR for her Ph.D. after several years
working in the petroleum industry.
Ann, like Cate Brinson, was to take
courses in a department where her father
taught. But unlike Cate, Ann would be
taking classes taught by her father. She
was planning to pursue a Ph.D. in her
father’s area of expertise: geology. So
for the first time, she enrolled in his
courses.
“He was harder on me because I was
his daughter,” said Ann.
“But all the students thought that I was
easier on her,” said Richard Hagni, who
felt he treated her no differently than any
other students.
For Ann, the first year was difficult
working and studying with her father,
but once she learned his style, they
worked together very well. He allowed
her to work independently but was there
to provide suggestions when she got
stuck.
“I really miss working for him now,”
she said.
She completed her Ph.D. in 1995 under
her father’s direction, a feat which, to the
best of their knowledge, had never been
done before at UMR (Figure 2).
The Hagnis have been active members
of and occasional chairs of the former
TMS Process Mineralogy Committee
(now the Materials Characterization
Committee) and have co-authored
approximately 15 papers together, Richard
estimates.
“Ann is essentially doing very similar
work to what I do, applying the microscope
to study various industrial problems,”
said Richard. “Although she’s
following in my footsteps, she’s now
making footsteps of her own.”
Many materials students had parents
who taught at the schools they attended.
But most avoided meeting their parents
in the classroom.
During his undergraduate years at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
Robert (Bob) Shull, group leader of magnetic
materials at the National Institute of
Standards and Technology and 2006
TMS vice president, never had his father,
a physics professor at the school, for
class. But he did attend one of his father’s
lectures, a speech interspersed with periods
when the lights would be dimmed to
show slides.
Having stayed up all night the previous
night writing an English paper, Bob
made it through the first two slide portions
of the talk, but nodded off when
the lights were turned off a third time.
“Next thing I know people are standing
up and walking out,” he said. “My
dad said he was flattered that I came, but
asked that I please not snore through the
class next time.”
It was probably for the best that they
did not have classes together, Bob
remembers, as his father had earned the
nickname of Flunk-’em-all Shull among
his students.
Krishan Chawla was teaching at the
New Mexico Institute of Mining and
Technology when Nik was a student
there. In his senior year, Nik signed up for
two classes with his father: mechanical
metallurgy and composites. Coincidentally
(or not), his father decided to take
a sabbatical that semester.
WHAT'S IN A NAME?
Having a well-known parent working
in the same field often means instant
recognition and important connections.
It can also mean a lot of expectations.
“Materials is one of the smallest engineering
fields, so a lot of people know
each other,” said Jim Staley.
J.T. Staley didn’t see any drawbacks
to this. His father’s connections helped
him get into graduate school. When J.T.
graduated from the mining engineering
program at South Dakota School of
Mines and Technology, the demand for
mining engineers began to drop, leaving
J.T. with an engineering degree and no
job prospects. His father recommended
grad school and put in some calls to
people he knew at good materials science
and engineering graduate programs.
Eventually J.T. was accepted at the
Georgia Institute of Technology.
“That’s the good thing about wanting
to go into metallurgy with a famous
metallurgical dad,” said J.T. “All these
connections.”
Som Das has found that many people
know his father’s name at the corporate
level of his company.
“It’s a good conversation starter,” says
Som, who otherwise feels the connection
with his father has a pretty neutral
effect on his career. “He’s pretty well
respected.”
It was the respect Harvey Schadler had
earned in the field of materials science
and engineering that led Linda Schadler
to keep her maiden name.
“I’ve changed my name legally, but I
haven’t changed it professionally because
everybody likes Harvey Schadler,” said
Linda. “It’s a good name to have."
Bob Shull had a harder act to follow
than most. His father, Clifford G. Shull,
won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1994
for his work on neutron scattering techniques
(Figure 3).
By the time the prize was awarded, the
younger Shull had already established his
own reputation working with magnetic
materials.
“For me, it was good that he did not
receive the Nobel Prize until quite a bit
later in his career,” said Robert. “I know
a lot of people—when they have this sort
of connection—feel a need to compete
and I didn’t feel that need because I was
already pretty well established in my
area.”
This left him free to enjoy his father’s
success.
“These are individuals I’d held up
on pedestals all my life and I never
expected to be related to someone like
that,” said Shull. “When his Nobel Prize
was announced, he really loved receiving
it, but it was never something he really
worked toward getting. It was really
wonderful to have an individual like that
as a parent and mentor.”
Clifford Shull died in 2001 at the age
of 85, seven years after receiving the
Nobel Prize.
While shared names can result in
valuable connections and increased
expectations, sometimes, they just result
in confusion.
Nik Chawla was once asked by a colleague—
who had read his work but never
met him in person—to write an article for
an encyclopedia. When the two finally
met, the colleague looked confused and
told Nik, “You know, I thought that you
were shorter and grayer and you had a
little goatee.”
Similarly, J.T. Staley attended an
aluminum conference in Norway with
a group of people his father had met 20
years earlier. One attendee looked at
J.T.’s name tag and said, “I thought you
were a lot older.”
WORKING TOGETHER
Sometimes parents and children work
together better than other colleagues. A
few years back, Cate Brinson and her
father, Hal Brinson, a retired professor of
mechanical engineering, began work on
a book on polymers and viscoelasticity.
The book benefits from the varying perspectives
brought by two generations.
“My mother said I was the only
person he could write a book with,” said
Cate. “The writing process brings up
many disagreements, but we survived my
teenage years, so we can always work it
out.”
With Cate in Illinois and Hal in Texas,
work on the book is a slow process, but
they hope to complete it this year when
Hal comes for a visit.
In 2005, father/son team Nik and
Krishan Chawla completed their first
book together, Metal-Matrix Composites (which can be purchased through
the on-line TMS Document Center at
doc.tms.org). They plan to collaborate
on additional projects in the future and
their paths often cross professionally
through their active participation in the
composites field and the TMS Composite
Materials Committee, of which Nik is
currently chair (Figure 4).
“I’d like people to understand that the
father/son thing is more at home. Once
we’re out there at TMS meetings and
working together, it’s like any other two
professional colleagues who work in the
same area and work together well,” said
Krishan. “At home, he calls me Papa,
but with colleagues, he refers to me as
Krish.”
“That’s the only time I can get away
with it,” Nik added.
THE NEXT GENERATION
Though his father was not trained as
an engineer, Rusty Gray calls him an
engineer at heart. “He is very much an engineer in the
way he thinks about things and the way
he looks at things,” said Rusty, a laboratory
fellow at Los Alamos National
Laboratory.
Rusty grew up doing home remodeling
and repair projects with his father, and has
passed the tradition on to his son, Alex,
who started at Case Western Reserve
University’s engineering program in
the fall of 2005. Having a father in the
materials science and engineering field
has helped Alex to have a clearer direction
than many college freshmen.
“I’ve been exposed to the field for so
many years that I knew what materials
engineering was, I knew that it existed,
which isn’t the case with most freshman
engineering students,” said Alex.
Alex has already joined the Material
Advantage student program offered by
TMS and partnering societies and plans
to declare a concentration in materials
engineering in the spring. He spent his
Christmas break working in Los Alamos
National Lab’s materials department
(though not with his father) and has
already been to a TMS meeting with his
father, who serves on the TMS Board of
Directors.
Rusty encouraged his son toward engineering,
after seeing that, from a young
age, Alex thought like an engineer.
“When he had something like a construction
building set, it wasn’t very long
before he threw out the plans that came
with it and was building other way cool
things with his own ideas and plans,”
said Rusty. “He’s been very mechanically
minded since he was very young. I saw
a natural ability.”
Though it may be too soon to tell for
Linda Schadler’s nine- and seven-year old
children, they both show an aptitude
toward science and have been exposed
to the field. Linda’s children were test
subjects for the Molecularium project at
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, which
is designed to introduce kids to ideas
such as atoms and molecules. Her seven year-
old daughter has not only attended
Linda’s programs on engineering for high
school girls, she has helped to teach the
girls about polymers.
“They haven’t had any choice but to
learn what a polymer is,” said Linda.
THE TABLES HAVE TURNED
Krishan Chawla recalls the frustration
his son, Nik, would express when he
first started going to professional society
meetings. Nik would come home and tell
his father, “It’s not easy to follow in your
footsteps. No matter where I go, they see
my last name and ask if I’m related to
Krish Chawla.”
Then, in 2000, Krishan was invited to
speak at a meeting in Spain. The conference
organizer introduced Krishan as a
professor at the University of Alabama at
Birmingham—and Nik Chawla’s dad.
“From here on, I’m known as Nik’s
father,” Krishan said. “So I told him, you
can be at ease now.”
Kelly Roncone is news editor for JOM.
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